Episode 35: Where the Gospel Meets Law Enforcement & Ethnicity

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Synopsis: Christians say we should submit to the authorities, but what happens when some authorities use their power to abuse people? In this special episode, we visit the protests in person and hear from Christians on all sides – police officers, protesters and pastors – about the often complicated relationship between cops and the black community.

Featuring Aaron Griffith (God’s Law and Order).


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This episode was produced and written by Rachel Szabo and Jesse Eubanks. This episode was mixed by Anna Tran.

Senior Production by Jesse Eubanks.

Hosted by Jesse Eubanks and Cat Fowler.

Soundtrack music from Murphy DX, Blue Dot Sessions, Podington Bear and Lee Rosevere.

Thank you to our interviewees: Millie Martin, Officer Dale, Aaron Griffith, Jason Stephens and Officer Billy. Special thanks also to Tom Skinner.

Photo Credit: Leandro Lozada photography


Resources: Tom Skinner’s full Urbana sermon

Aaron Griffith’s book: God’s Law and Order – The Politics of Punishment in Evangelical America

Christianity Today: Do White Evangelicals Love Police More Than Their Neighbors?

Pew Research: 10 Things We Know About Race and Policing in America

What They See – Spoken Word by Jason Stephens

David French: Supreme Court Precedent Killed Breonna Taylor

Leandro Lozada: Louisville protest photos

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